Two Juliusruh ionograms for the disturbed evening hours on 08^th September 2017. Both ionograms came out with wrong autoscaling results and derived electron density profiles but are able to be manually scaled with reasonable results. – The upper ionogram (17:53UT) shows a) spread echoes between ~3 and >4MHz, which corresponds to a Frequency Spread parameter FF ~1MHz and b) non-vertical or oblique echoes (>15° off-zenith) marked as coming from south directions (see right color legend).